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		<title>By: m1ek</title>
		<link>http://austin.metblogs.com/2008/09/16/restaurants-parking-and-neighbors/comment-page-1/#comment-2881</link>
		<dc:creator>m1ek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to stick with &quot;grow up&quot;, thanks. For example, there&#039;s really no reason you should be under the impression that residents of your neighborhood have a greater moral claim on parking on your street than does anybody else in the entire city - no matter how few parking spaces the restaurant they may be patronizing might have.

It doesn&#039;t really matter that some of those expansions were &#039;illegal&#039; thanks to our bogus suburban zoning code, except for the one case where they expanded right over the city&#039;s sidewalk ROW (nail THOSE guys right to the wall, please). Unless you prefer the paradise of Guadalupe in my neighborhood - where everybody has plenty of parking and there&#039;s nothing worth going to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to stick with &quot;grow up&quot;, thanks. For example, there&#8217;s really no reason you should be under the impression that residents of your neighborhood have a greater moral claim on parking on your street than does anybody else in the entire city &#8211; no matter how few parking spaces the restaurant they may be patronizing might have.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t really matter that some of those expansions were &#8216;illegal&#8217; thanks to our bogus suburban zoning code, except for the one case where they expanded right over the city&#8217;s sidewalk ROW (nail THOSE guys right to the wall, please). Unless you prefer the paradise of Guadalupe in my neighborhood &#8211; where everybody has plenty of parking and there&#8217;s nothing worth going to.</p>
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		<title>By: triman</title>
		<link>http://austin.metblogs.com/2008/09/16/restaurants-parking-and-neighbors/comment-page-1/#comment-2880</link>
		<dc:creator>triman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments. First @tthomas48 You&#039;d be surprised how much we agree. First, I never voted against the light rail, I wasn&#039;t here at the time. In the original newsgroup discussion that I took Corys post from, there was specific discussion about light rail, this is referred to in the penultimate paragraph of the main blog post.

I completely agree with the sentiment that we are an urban neighborhood, personally the last thing I want to see is parking banned from my street, it would be like living out in the &#039;burbs. I am one of those people that the Austin Contrarian says will occupy the neighborhood, I came here via London and New York.

I didn&#039;t specify in the post where the RPP was being considered for, it actually isn&#039;t for SoCo as it currently stands, they already have a raft of parking restrictions.

What you&#039;ve all overlooked in this case, is that the city isn&#039;t enforcing already breached planning, zoning and development rules. One or two restaurant owners continue to develop and extend their properties, and are being less than honest as they do it.

It was in this light that the discussion started, and Corys points should be taken and are well made. Polvos is a fine example. Almost their entire outdoor patio was built on the outside of the existing outdoor seating. There was no planning, zoning or permitting for it. It caused the loss of existing parking spaces, forcing more cars in the interior of the neighborhood. The city have been reluctant to enforce.

Polvos have indirectly through a 3rd parties, acquired the house next door in W Johanna, and the property behind. They proceeded to lay concrete beyond the impervious cover limits for the neighborhood, and parallel to the existing unpermitted patio seating. They clearly hoped to extend the seating into the backyard of a residential house and even started removing the fencing between the west side of the pation and the residential yard.. The also built a corridor from the kitchen area of the restaurant, across the rear yard of a residential yard, to the property at the back. The city issued a stop work order, but they continued finished, roofed and painted the corridor.

It&#039;s clear what they planned to do was to move food storage or prep to the property at the back, and either use the existing space for more internal seating or to allow them to prep more food, more quickly. To date, only two permits were received for this work, one to add a cover to the existing unpermitted seating which has been refused as they don&#039;t have enough parking spaces; the second permit was to use the space at the rear of the residential property and the property behind for parking, which on a plan may look like whats happening, but seen from the properties, clearly isn&#039;t. They continue to use the existing unpermitted patio space without penalty.

As it currently stands, properties on S 2nd St are regularly completely blocked in. The street has no footpath on either side, it is narrow, and yes, that makes for traffic calming, especially when there is a stand-off and no progress can be made in either direction because one driver refuses to &quot;give way&quot; to oncoming traffic. In this environment, the residents can complain to the city, but when those complaints are ignored, they have no other course of action except to consider RPP. The RPD that the contrarian proposes, just wouldn&#039;t do it, unless one side of the street is marked no parking. When there is parking on both sides, emergency vehicle access for fire and and ambulance isn&#039;t always possible.

Doing RPP for that one street would just move the problem. So currently the residents of 6-blocks around the restaurant are working to achieve the signatures needed. Polvos may be a great restaurant, it is clearly popular. However it shouldn&#039;t be allowed to continue to profit from the ADDITIONAL misery it imposes on its&#039; neighbors. If the city won&#039;t take this seriously, then the residents do have at least one course of action.

Again, Corys points are right on the money, if the business has a magical formula for making money, they should take it elsewhere rather than continue to expand beyond what is reasonable for their existing space, the THREAT of RPP might help them see that. Don&#039;t forget, the RPP process allows for it to be removed also as easily as it in installed.

As for Cap Metro and the Dillo&#039;s. Yes, in my time in the neighborhood we certainly actively lobbied Cap Metro to change the Dillo, to have it turn Congress and S 1st into a bidirectional loop routed. South on S 1st, over Oltorf, north on Congress; and the South on Congress and north on S1st. Never happened.

We also agree on making Congress and S 1st more pedestrian friendly. The Neighborhood association is currently lobbying for a crossing at S 1St and Elizabeth(See Statesman Watch), and I personally have taken an active intrest in the shambles that has been caused on the north end of the S 1st Bridge, there is also ongoing discussion about the crossing islands on Congress.

Thanks again for the contributions, ideas and links. Keep them coming!
@m1ek suggestion that we should &quot;grow-up&quot; is though exactly what makes these discussions emotional and causes people to react badly and to start slinging insults around. It was out of context accusations like that, that drew the discussion of house styles in the first paragraph of Corys positioning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments. First @tthomas48 You&#8217;d be surprised how much we agree. First, I never voted against the light rail, I wasn&#8217;t here at the time. In the original newsgroup discussion that I took Corys post from, there was specific discussion about light rail, this is referred to in the penultimate paragraph of the main blog post.</p>
<p>I completely agree with the sentiment that we are an urban neighborhood, personally the last thing I want to see is parking banned from my street, it would be like living out in the &#8216;burbs. I am one of those people that the Austin Contrarian says will occupy the neighborhood, I came here via London and New York.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t specify in the post where the RPP was being considered for, it actually isn&#8217;t for SoCo as it currently stands, they already have a raft of parking restrictions.</p>
<p>What you&#8217;ve all overlooked in this case, is that the city isn&#8217;t enforcing already breached planning, zoning and development rules. One or two restaurant owners continue to develop and extend their properties, and are being less than honest as they do it.</p>
<p>It was in this light that the discussion started, and Corys points should be taken and are well made. Polvos is a fine example. Almost their entire outdoor patio was built on the outside of the existing outdoor seating. There was no planning, zoning or permitting for it. It caused the loss of existing parking spaces, forcing more cars in the interior of the neighborhood. The city have been reluctant to enforce.</p>
<p>Polvos have indirectly through a 3rd parties, acquired the house next door in W Johanna, and the property behind. They proceeded to lay concrete beyond the impervious cover limits for the neighborhood, and parallel to the existing unpermitted patio seating. They clearly hoped to extend the seating into the backyard of a residential house and even started removing the fencing between the west side of the pation and the residential yard.. The also built a corridor from the kitchen area of the restaurant, across the rear yard of a residential yard, to the property at the back. The city issued a stop work order, but they continued finished, roofed and painted the corridor.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear what they planned to do was to move food storage or prep to the property at the back, and either use the existing space for more internal seating or to allow them to prep more food, more quickly. To date, only two permits were received for this work, one to add a cover to the existing unpermitted seating which has been refused as they don&#8217;t have enough parking spaces; the second permit was to use the space at the rear of the residential property and the property behind for parking, which on a plan may look like whats happening, but seen from the properties, clearly isn&#8217;t. They continue to use the existing unpermitted patio space without penalty.</p>
<p>As it currently stands, properties on S 2nd St are regularly completely blocked in. The street has no footpath on either side, it is narrow, and yes, that makes for traffic calming, especially when there is a stand-off and no progress can be made in either direction because one driver refuses to &quot;give way&quot; to oncoming traffic. In this environment, the residents can complain to the city, but when those complaints are ignored, they have no other course of action except to consider RPP. The RPD that the contrarian proposes, just wouldn&#8217;t do it, unless one side of the street is marked no parking. When there is parking on both sides, emergency vehicle access for fire and and ambulance isn&#8217;t always possible.</p>
<p>Doing RPP for that one street would just move the problem. So currently the residents of 6-blocks around the restaurant are working to achieve the signatures needed. Polvos may be a great restaurant, it is clearly popular. However it shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to continue to profit from the ADDITIONAL misery it imposes on its&#8217; neighbors. If the city won&#8217;t take this seriously, then the residents do have at least one course of action.</p>
<p>Again, Corys points are right on the money, if the business has a magical formula for making money, they should take it elsewhere rather than continue to expand beyond what is reasonable for their existing space, the THREAT of RPP might help them see that. Don&#8217;t forget, the RPP process allows for it to be removed also as easily as it in installed.</p>
<p>As for Cap Metro and the Dillo&#8217;s. Yes, in my time in the neighborhood we certainly actively lobbied Cap Metro to change the Dillo, to have it turn Congress and S 1st into a bidirectional loop routed. South on S 1st, over Oltorf, north on Congress; and the South on Congress and north on S1st. Never happened.</p>
<p>We also agree on making Congress and S 1st more pedestrian friendly. The Neighborhood association is currently lobbying for a crossing at S 1St and Elizabeth(See Statesman Watch), and I personally have taken an active intrest in the shambles that has been caused on the north end of the S 1st Bridge, there is also ongoing discussion about the crossing islands on Congress.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the contributions, ideas and links. Keep them coming!<br />
@m1ek suggestion that we should &quot;grow-up&quot; is though exactly what makes these discussions emotional and causes people to react badly and to start slinging insults around. It was out of context accusations like that, that drew the discussion of house styles in the first paragraph of Corys positioning.</p>
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		<title>By: alexkw</title>
		<link>http://austin.metblogs.com/2008/09/16/restaurants-parking-and-neighbors/comment-page-1/#comment-2879</link>
		<dc:creator>alexkw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My fiancee are building a home in that neighborhood.  The reason we chose to live in an urban center is that we want to be able to walk places.  Asking me to get in my car so that I can dine or shop is absurd.  We need more local restaurants and shops, not fewer.  

I agree with tthomas48. Parking permits will not resolve the parking problem.  Use the Wicker Park neighborhood in Chicago as an example.  That area has seen a renaissance in the last decade.  Nail shops, and payday loan stores are now locally owned boutiques and amazing restaurants.  Those local residents who require cars park in their garages and/or use parking passes.  But more often than not they walk to get dinner or groceries.  This alone makes Wicker Park a very desirable area.

And guess what.  Even with parking passes, parking is a still bitch in that area. In my opinion this raises the bar for local establishments. Folks who live outside the neighborhood have to deal with a hassle in order to dine or shop in that area. That means that only the best local businesses survive.  After all, if I&#039;m going to the trouble of parking, you can bet I&#039;m going to eat or shop somewhere unique to that area.  

So, I say let&#039;s do the parking passes.  Or not.  Either way it isn&#039;t going to matter.  One thing&#039;s for certain, though.  Parking is only going to get more difficult.  And places like Polvo&#039;s may find that their food isn&#039;t good enough to warrant such an exclusive location.  And I would welcome that change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My fiancee are building a home in that neighborhood.  The reason we chose to live in an urban center is that we want to be able to walk places.  Asking me to get in my car so that I can dine or shop is absurd.  We need more local restaurants and shops, not fewer.  </p>
<p>I agree with tthomas48. Parking permits will not resolve the parking problem.  Use the Wicker Park neighborhood in Chicago as an example.  That area has seen a renaissance in the last decade.  Nail shops, and payday loan stores are now locally owned boutiques and amazing restaurants.  Those local residents who require cars park in their garages and/or use parking passes.  But more often than not they walk to get dinner or groceries.  This alone makes Wicker Park a very desirable area.</p>
<p>And guess what.  Even with parking passes, parking is a still bitch in that area. In my opinion this raises the bar for local establishments. Folks who live outside the neighborhood have to deal with a hassle in order to dine or shop in that area. That means that only the best local businesses survive.  After all, if I&#8217;m going to the trouble of parking, you can bet I&#8217;m going to eat or shop somewhere unique to that area.  </p>
<p>So, I say let&#8217;s do the parking passes.  Or not.  Either way it isn&#8217;t going to matter.  One thing&#8217;s for certain, though.  Parking is only going to get more difficult.  And places like Polvo&#8217;s may find that their food isn&#8217;t good enough to warrant such an exclusive location.  And I would welcome that change.</p>
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		<title>By: m1ek</title>
		<link>http://austin.metblogs.com/2008/09/16/restaurants-parking-and-neighbors/comment-page-1/#comment-2878</link>
		<dc:creator>m1ek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not agree more with Tim, or with &lt;a href=&quot;http://austinzoning.typepad.com/austincontrarian/2008/09/bouldin-creek-and-soco-parking.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Austin Contrarian&#039;s take&lt;/a&gt;. Grow up. It&#039;s a city. It&#039;s free traffic calming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not agree more with Tim, or with <a href="http://austinzoning.typepad.com/austincontrarian/2008/09/bouldin-creek-and-soco-parking.html" rel="nofollow">Austin Contrarian&#8217;s take</a>. Grow up. It&#8217;s a city. It&#8217;s free traffic calming.</p>
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		<title>By: tthomas48</title>
		<link>http://austin.metblogs.com/2008/09/16/restaurants-parking-and-neighbors/comment-page-1/#comment-2876</link>
		<dc:creator>tthomas48</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) You guys voted against Light Rail. This would have eased the parking burden.
2) CapMetro recently got rid of the Orange Dillo that went all the way down South Congress alleviating parking burden at least during lunch. You guys protested that? No?
3) Your residential neighborhoods are not residential neighborhoods anymore. You cannot preserve the character of them, because you are now downtown. You are an Urban neighborhood.
4) You are not using the McMansion ordinance for anything other than to pick and choose what kind of architecture you like.

Finally, sure get the residential parking permits. It&#039;s not going to solve your problem, and it is not going to keep people from parking illegally.
The solution is to advocate for more public transportation in the area. To make congress more pedestrian friendly and to advocate for more dense development in the area so that more people live by the restaurants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) You guys voted against Light Rail. This would have eased the parking burden.<br />
2) CapMetro recently got rid of the Orange Dillo that went all the way down South Congress alleviating parking burden at least during lunch. You guys protested that? No?<br />
3) Your residential neighborhoods are not residential neighborhoods anymore. You cannot preserve the character of them, because you are now downtown. You are an Urban neighborhood.<br />
4) You are not using the McMansion ordinance for anything other than to pick and choose what kind of architecture you like.</p>
<p>Finally, sure get the residential parking permits. It&#8217;s not going to solve your problem, and it is not going to keep people from parking illegally.<br />
The solution is to advocate for more public transportation in the area. To make congress more pedestrian friendly and to advocate for more dense development in the area so that more people live by the restaurants.</p>
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